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DmonHiro
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The only really good part of the Z Gundam movies is that they basically push ZZ Gundam right out of cannon. For that, I am thankful.
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Beatdigga
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I know I am.
Well that and the Gackt song isn't too bad. |
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amagee
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Right after these films came out, Tomino got asked about which of the storylines he liked better and he said he thought it would be cool to let him keep going and make further movies based off these ones so you have two versions of the U.C.: an older one for nostalgia and a new one for happier people. It was something to that effect. I think that would be interesting. Nothing wrong with multiple canonical versions of a fictional franchise. |
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FenixFiesta
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Z still has Katz, and Katz is still worst than any individual aspect that was "bad" in ZZ, I would trade a ZZ-less canon for a Katz removed narrative. Oh, and UC put ZZ RIGHT BACK IN unless you consider Ple and her "sisters" the amazing temporal paradox. Last edited by FenixFiesta on Sat Jun 11, 2016 11:01 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Kicksville
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Where'd you read that? I had more of an impression that he didn't care either way. Based in part on this, the "Is Judau OK?" Q&A with Tomino at a screening of these movies: https://justiceace.wordpress.com/2006/10/09/questions-and-answerspart-1/
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johnnysasaki
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I never liked how they replaced some of the voices when the older ones could still play those roles.And it's suspicious that most of the re-casts were for the girls,almost felt like they wanted to pander to the otakus who only care about the young and popular voice-actresses of the time (at least they left Haman's sexy Yoshiko Sakakibara's voice alone...),what's worse it's that these changes have been carrying over to the video games and stuff since then...
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Vaisaga
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It's been over 10 years and people are still saying this shit? The Zeta movies are just an alternate retelling, a "what if" story. They are not and have never been intended to overwrite anything. The Zeta TV series is a real slog to get through so I much prefer this condensed adaptation. I don't mind the clash of animation styles and find the new content goes a long way of making up for the TV series' unlikable cast and dull action scenes. |
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thekingsdinner
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I honestly would say... don't bother with these, just watch the TV series otherwise you'll find yourself lost in the story. Especially the second movie I thought was really bad. I'll stick to the TV series.
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SilverTalon01
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It pushes CCA out as well. Though personally I think the second half of ZZ with conclusion of Haman justifies ZZ's existence.
Thats pretty much how all the compilation movies are. You can maybe get the gist of it without watching the tv series, but you will definitely miss a whole lot. |
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penguintruth
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These movies are an abomination. They cut out such large swaths of actual plot and characterization, most characters are little more than named extras. It baffles me why instead of going the 0079 route and making each movie over two hours, they went and made the movies about an hour and a half each, to cover 50 episodes of material, more than 0079. And Zeta doesn't have nearly as many things that could be cut than the original series. The result is that much of the story just isn't there and it loses any subtleties. Even if it had been all-new animation (the new animation does look really nice, except that it's right next to the old stuff, so that it looks awkward), it still wouldn't have worked.
The only thing the movies did that was worthwhile was give the Zeta Gundam musical composer more work. Well, that, and prove that Zeta Gundam still drew fans so many years later. Not sure what Tomino was thinking with the movies, but he should have handed duties over to Yas. |
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thekingsdinner
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I will also admit that I did like the 0083 compilation movie better than the OVA, but that may be because I thought the OVA series wasn't paced very well. For the rest though... agreed. I have yet to see the Turn A compilation movies but I'm not expecting much out of those. |
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SilverTalon01
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Well I think all the compilation movies since the first ones haven't been 2 hours. It isn't that the Zeta movies broke a trend, they're just following it. I don't think the movies are an abomination at all, but I guess it depends on how you look at it. You seem to want it to be stand alone, and I agree that it ended up cutting so much that as a stand alone replacement for Zeta, it fails miserably. I see the Zeta movies as more of a nostalgia trip as well as a peak at what Tomino might have done differently with the series 20 years later. And in that way, I thought they were rather enjoyable.
First was the reason I said pretty much. I think those movies benefited a lot from hind sight, being longer than other compilation movies, and the series being shorter. I didn't know 0083 had a movie version. What I meant when I said that was more Turn-A, SEED, SEED Destiny, 00, and then of course Zeta. |
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GVman
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Katz is annoying, but he's also a fairly typical teenager. I could see someone actually behaving the way he does. Same with Kamille, but him and Katz are different sorts.
At the very least, Zeta the ORIGIN would be better than Zeta Define, from what I hear. He's actually working on the OVAs, though? |
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SilverTalon01
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At least Kats gets a fitting end. There are plenty of equally annoying characters that don't. |
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amagee
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I hadn't read this particular translated Q & A. It sounds about the same tone from what I read. I don't remember the particular interview I had seen but it was translated somewhere on the Mechatalk forums. I think I made out Tomino's response out to be a little more friendly. He essentially said if he had to do more U.C., he'd work off these Zeta films and not touch the older stuff; he said people who are so fervent for the older stuff are just nostalgia-ridden and don't enjoy happiness. It was typical Tomino crassness. |
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